Macro N Cheese

A podcast that critically examines the working-class struggle through the lens of Modern Monetary Theory. Host Steve Grumbine, founder of Real Progressives, provides incisive political commentary and showcases grassroots activism. Join us for a robust, unfiltered exploration of economic issues that impact the working class, as we challenge the status quo and prioritize collective well-being over profit. This is comfort food for the mind, fueling our fight for justice and equity!

Macroeconomics for the People!


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Latest Episodes

Episode 247 - Degrowth and MMT with Christopher Olk and Colleen Schneider

Episode 247 – Degrowth and MMT with Christopher Olk and Colleen Schneider

Guests Colleen Schneider and Christopher Olk discuss the revolutionary potential of MMT & degrowth. They are co-authors with Jason Hickel of How to Pay for Saving the World: Modern Monetary Theory for a Degrowth Transition.

Episode 246 - Fiat Socialism... the Convergence with Carlos García Hernández

Episode 246 – Fiat Socialism… the Convergence with Carlos García Hernández

Steve’s guest is Carlos García Hernández, the author of Fiat Socialism: Achieving the Goals of Socialism through Modern Monetary Theory.

Episode 245 - Decolonizing Our Minds with Fadhel Kaboub

Episode 245 – Decolonizing Our Minds with Fadhel Kaboub

Steve talks with Fadhel Kaboub about climate change and a just transition for Africa and the global south. They discuss financial exploitation and the dynamics between labor and capital at the international level.

Episode 244 - The Trouble With Lula with Daniel Conceição

Episode 244 – The Trouble With Lula with Daniel Conceição

Daniel Conceição talks about the current situation in Brazil. They can change presidents, but austerity and fiscal conservatism remain constant.