Macro N Cheese

A podcast that critically examines the working-class struggle through the lens of Modern Monetary Theory. Host Steve Grumbine, founder of Real Progressives, provides incisive political commentary and showcases grassroots activism. Join us for a robust, unfiltered exploration of economic issues that impact the working class, as we challenge the status quo and prioritize collective well-being over profit. This is comfort food for the mind, fueling our fight for justice and equity!

Macroeconomics for the People!


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Latest Episodes

Episode 196 - The New Cold War with Ben Norton

Episode 196 – The New Cold War with Ben Norton

Journalist Ben Norton of Multipolarista talks about imperialism and neoliberalism’s futile attempt to save capitalism.

Episode 195 - Trussonomics with Neil Wilson

Episode 195 – Trussonomics with Neil Wilson

Neil Wilson of the Gower Initiative for Modern Money Studies (GIMMS) talks about Liz Truss and the Tories' failing attempts to deal with the UK economy. He says there are political lessons to be learned.

Episode 194 - Pakistan in Crisis with Aqdas Afzal

Episode 194 – Pakistan in Crisis with Aqdas Afzal

Aqdas Afzal talks about the current overlapping crises in Pakistan, where they are experiencing floods of biblical proportions. Pakistan is also drowning in foreign debt – 40% of the government’s budget leaves the country

Episode 193 - The Rise of Giorgia Meloni with Ivan Invernizzi

Episode 193 – The Rise of Giorgia Meloni with Ivan Invernizzi

Ivan Invernizzi of Rete MMT Italia and MMT France talks with Steve about the current political landscape in Italy, and the role of external forces on Italy’s future.