Macro N Cheese

A podcast that critically examines the working-class struggle through the lens of Modern Monetary Theory. Host Steve Grumbine, founder of Real Progressives, provides incisive political commentary and showcases grassroots activism. Join us for a robust, unfiltered exploration of economic issues that impact the working class, as we challenge the status quo and prioritize collective well-being over profit. This is comfort food for the mind, fueling our fight for justice and equity!

Macroeconomics for the People!


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Latest Episodes

Episode 183 - Imports, Exports and Empire with Bill Mitchell

Episode 183 – Imports, Exports and Empire with Bill Mitchell

A recent episode stirred up some social media angst. What do MMTers mean by “imports are a benefit, exports are a cost”? Bill Mitchell joins Steve to suss it out.

Episode 182 - The Citizens' Ledger with Robert Hockett

Episode 182 – The Citizens’ Ledger with Robert Hockett

Robert C. Hockett talks about his new book, The Citizens’ Ledger: Digitizing Our Money, Democratizing Our Future, and his proposal for creating digital currency as a public utility with all the attractive attributes of cash (like privacy!)

Episode 181 - Cloudmoney with Brett Scott

Episode 181 – Cloudmoney with Brett Scott

Brett Scott talks about his new book Cloudmoney: Cash, Cards, Crypto, and the War for Our Wallets. He arms us against the crypto-hustle.

Episode 180 - The End of Dollar Diplomacy? with Steve Keen and Michael Hudson

Episode 180 – The End of Dollar Diplomacy? with Steve Keen and Michael Hudson

Michael Hudson and Steve Keen talk about neoliberalism, global politics, and the climate crisis. Hudson’s new book is The Destiny of Civilization – Finance Capitalism, Industrial Capitalism or Socialism. Keen’s latest is The New Economics: A Manifesto.