Macro N Cheese
A podcast that critically examines the working-class struggle through the lens of Modern Monetary Theory. Host Steve Grumbine, founder of Real Progressives, provides incisive political commentary and showcases grassroots activism. Join us for a robust, unfiltered exploration of economic issues that impact the working class, as we challenge the status quo and prioritize collective well-being over profit. This is comfort food for the mind, fueling our fight for justice and equity!
Macroeconomics for the People!
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Latest Episodes

Episode 365 – Funding White Supremacy with Robert B. Williams
Economist Robert B. Williams talks about his 2025 book Funding White Supremacy: Federal Wealth Policies and the Modern Racial Wealth Gap.

Episode 364 – State Money, Class Struggle with Anthony Anastasi
Anthony W. D. Anastasi, an economist based in China, believes that MMT and Marxist class analysis can complement each other when money is understood as a tool of the state rather than an ideology. He and Steve take on common Marxist critiques of MMT, discuss non-reformist reform, and what China’s political economy reveals about monetary sovereignty and power.

Episode 363 – Venezuela’s Unfinished Revolution with Ricardo Vaz
Ricardo Vaz of Venezuela Analysis joins Steve to unpack oil, sanctions, and the Bolivarian Revolution, exposing how empire, power, and propaganda actually work.

Episode 362 – Debunking the Institutional Theory of Economic Development with Erald Kolasi
Steve talks with Erald Kolasi about why “good institutions” don’t explain why some countries prosper while others struggle. Using Korea, China, and Venezuela, the conversation cuts through surface narratives to focus on power, imperial alignment, energy, and material conditions that actually shape economic outcomes.