Macro N Cheese

A podcast that critically examines the working-class struggle through the lens of Modern Monetary Theory. Host Steve Grumbine, founder of Real Progressives, provides incisive political commentary and showcases grassroots activism. Join us for a robust, unfiltered exploration of economic issues that impact the working class, as we challenge the status quo and prioritize collective well-being over profit. This is comfort food for the mind, fueling our fight for justice and equity!

Macroeconomics for the People!


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Latest Episodes

Episode 120 - Chain Reactions with Mike Figueredo

Episode 120 – Chain Reactions with Mike Figueredo

Mike Figueredo of The Humanist Report joins Steve Grumbine to talk about MMT, austerity as murder, and becoming radicalized. Once the bell rings, you can never unring it.

Episode 119 - Point Counterpoint: The Biden First 100 Days with Robert Hockett

Episode 119 – Point Counterpoint: The Biden First 100 Days with Robert Hockett

Robert Hockett matches his cautious optimism to Steve’s skepticism assessing the Biden administration. Will we have healthcare and a Green New Deal or escalation of hostilities toward China and Russia?

Episode 118 - The Web of Progress with Jen Perelman

Episode 118 – The Web of Progress with Jen Perelman

Steve talks with Jen Perelman, congressional candidate and host of JENerational Change, about the limitations of electoral politics and the path to revolutionary change via a massive labor movement.

Episode 117 - Reparations with Sandy Darity and Kirsten Mullen

Episode 117 – Reparations with Sandy Darity and Kirsten Mullen

156 years after being promised 40 acres and a mule, African Americans are no closer to closing the wealth gap. Kirsten Mullen and Sandy Darity join Steve to talk about their book, From Here to Equality: Reparations for Black Americans in the 21st Century.