Macro N Cheese

A podcast that critically examines the working-class struggle through the lens of Modern Monetary Theory. Host Steve Grumbine, founder of Real Progressives, provides incisive political commentary and showcases grassroots activism. Join us for a robust, unfiltered exploration of economic issues that impact the working class, as we challenge the status quo and prioritize collective well-being over profit. This is comfort food for the mind, fueling our fight for justice and equity!

Macroeconomics for the People!


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Latest Episodes

Episode 5 - Environmental Justice, Sustainability and Full Employment with Fadhel Kaboub

Episode 5 – Environmental Justice, Sustainability and Full Employment with Fadhel Kaboub

Fadhel Kaboub on the pressing crises of climate change, poverty, and unemployment. He describes the failings of the market approach, and uses the lens of MMT to change the narrative and put forth a comprehensive solution.

Episode 4 -  Neoliberalism with Ellis Winningham

Episode 4 – Neoliberalism with Ellis Winningham

Ellis and Steve agree with MMT experts! We can stop talking about “reducing the deficit” or U.S.A’s need for “government surpluses”. Time to fight wage suppression. NO MORE LIES! Federal taxes DON’T fund spending.

Episode 3 - Metabolic Optimism with Professor Robert Hockett

Episode 3 – Metabolic Optimism with Professor Robert Hockett

Professor Robert Hockett talks to Steve about how Pelosi’s PayGo is dangerously misleading and they discuss the implications of a Green New Deal.

Episode 2 -  Pavlina Tcherneva on MMT, Feminism, Intersectionality & Momentum

Episode 2 – Pavlina Tcherneva on MMT, Feminism, Intersectionality & Momentum

Pavlina Tcherneva joins Steve to talk about the prominent role of women in developing and promoting Modern Monetary Theory. As one of the leading architects of the Federal Job Guarantee, she explains how redefining work will liberate families as well as the marginalized.