Macro N Cheese
A podcast that critically examines the working-class struggle through the lens of Modern Monetary Theory. Host Steve Grumbine, founder of Real Progressives, provides incisive political commentary and showcases grassroots activism. Join us for a robust, unfiltered exploration of economic issues that impact the working class, as we challenge the status quo and prioritize collective well-being over profit. This is comfort food for the mind, fueling our fight for justice and equity!
Macroeconomics for the People!
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Latest Episodes

Episode 168 – Mao: The Sino-Japanese War with Carl Zha
Carl Zha, host of Silk and Steel podcast, talks with Steve about Mao and the Sino-Japanese war, part 1 of a three-part series on the Chinese Revolution.

Episode 167 – The E-Cash Act with Rohan Grey
Rohan Grey talks to Steve about the ECASH Act, which he helped craft as a step toward creating public digital dollars with the privacy and anonymity of physical cash.

Episode 166 – Investing in Sustainability with Paul Herman
R. Paul Herman talks about crafting innovative ways to address the crises of our times using a multisector approach – especially government, NGOs, and private. Herman is the founder and CEO of HIP Investor.

Episode 165 – Finding Mosler with Philip Armstrong
Steve’s guest is Phil Armstrong of Gower Initiative for Modern Money Studies (GIMMS), who has recently published a book of interviews: Can Heterodox Economics Make a Difference? Conversations with Key Thinkers.